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Ham-Digital Digest          Thu,  2 Jun 94       Volume 94 : Issue  172

Today's Topics:
                    Alpha-Numeric Paging Software
             An open note to Gary Coffman, KE4ZV (3 msgs)
              Cardinal DSP16 boards $79 +$5s/h (2 msgs)
                       Help with JNOS for Linux
                            JNOS for Unix.
                          LOOKING FOR: PK-88
                         need repeater advice
                              PCMCIA TNC
                RTTY DIGITAL JOURNAL subscription info
          Telix modem software doesn't choke on 7plus files

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Date: 1 Jun 1994 22:50:57 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!udel!news2.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bga.com![e-mail]
Subject: Alpha-Numeric Paging Software
To: [e-mail]

TSTADER ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <2rt9s2$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Patrick Mcguire)
: writes:

*** Thanks for the credit but  I this is *not* the response that I posted.***

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
: Somebody once gave me the info to Motorola's document request
: line.... but not sure where I saw it.... but if you call
: 1-800-542-7882 and ask them for a copy of the Motorola "Third Party
: Referal Guide to Alpah and Data Paging"... you'll get a nice booklet
: listing all of the "known" software suppliers out there whose
: products do what you want. There is a section for DOS, Macintosh and
: Unix. They have a section for Shareware/Freeware, but the 04 March
: 1994 edition shows none.

: I don't know how Motorola will continue to support this document....
: but it is nice. They also sent me a whole bunch of info on their
: NewsStream and NewsCard products.... it got the wheels turning on we
: might be able to adapt this product... pretty neat.

: 73 for now.... c u on the shortwaves
: Terry Stader - KA8SCP
: America Online Ham Radio Club Host
: Macintosh Amateur Radio Software List Maintainer
: Internet: [e-mail] (e-mail)  or
:           [e-mail] (binaries/files >28K)
: KA8SCP@WA1PHY.#EMA.MA.USA.NOAM
: [e-mail] [44.56.4.82] Mac
:                        [44.56.4.120] DOS Clone
: (they're BOTH pc's!)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What I did originally post was a short note concering the use of any
generic comm program to access an alphanumeric pager.

A short recap of this follows:

Obtain the paging terminal access telephone no from the pager co.  This
is the number you must have regardless of the access software you use.

Set your comm program to 1200 bps N81 at first.  If this does not work
use 300 bps.  These terminals are not speed demons.

When the terminal answers it will ask for password.  In my experience
this is just the name of the paging co. or some variant.  (e.g. McCaw
Communications is "MCCAW")

Next you will be queried for the number of the pager.  Enter the
telephone number of pager -just 7 digits, no area code.

Then just enter the text of your message, usually 80 chars max.

That's all there is to it...  If you are so inclined a 'script' could be
written that would enter all the preamble stuff automatically.

Patrick McGuire  WA8PLR
[e-mail]

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Date: 1 Jun 1994 15:25:57 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uiowa.edu!icaen![e-mail]
Subject: An open note to Gary Coffman, KE4ZV
To: [e-mail]

Gary, you should be getting a copy of this on Packet as well, but I
thought I'd toss it out on Usenet as well for others to comment upon.

I recently came across a note by you in our local Packet BBS archives
dated 12-MAR-92.  You probably don't remember having written it, but
it was a response to a UK user's request for information on packet
applications.
    Your response was that there was so much potential for
packet, but that right now, aside from local packet BBS's and
packet mail, there are none, diddly, zippo.  You said that, you
expected it "to fall into a 1200 baud and C64 forever mindset that
never reaches the heights it is capible of scaling."
    Well, two years later, I see you as being 100% right.  I've
not been in packet that long, but what I've seen makes me believe that
the case may be worse than you depicted it then.  I'll use the Iowa
packet network as an example.  It's a fairly extensive network, you
can get into it from pretty much anyplace in the state on 2-meters.
But I have the network map here in front of me...and that's about
all it is, 2 meters.  There are only a handful of 9600 baud connections
throughout the state, and those are mostly to get *into* nodes, not
links between the nodes, and the few which are backbone links don't
even connect the major nodes.  I hear people talking on the linked
repeater system about mail moving "fast" today--only taking 16 hours
or so to make a 3-link trip.  Needless to say, I have a hard time
swallowing that.
    I realize that much of this is simply the way the local net
is set up, but the way it is set up reflects the mindset of which
you wrote.  Also, from my conversations with other packeteers, this
sort of setup is not uncommon.
    But what can be done about it?  It seems to me that newer,
more efficient protocols need to be developed *and actively promoted*
rather than making 10 or 15-year-old technology the standard.
    A new implementation of TCP/IP might even help the situation.
While the TCP/IP protocol suite is far from perfect, it seems to be
much more efficient than the network we have now.  But the current
implementations, while pioneering in their time, are currently out-
dated.  IMO the best way to update our current technology would be
to develop a device driver for the standard TNC in KISS mode.  This
device driver would allow standard TCP/IP implementations and apps
to interface to amateur packet radio transparently.  It seems to me
that there is no reason that standard TCP/IP applications which run
on the Internet should not be able to run on a Packet radio internet,
including standard implementations of ftp, telnet, rlogin, usenet news,
internet bbs's, etc.  I have been dabbling with such a device driver,
but I do not pretend to either be a professional programmer (I'm a
writer by trade) or to understand the AX.25 protocol or to understand
KISS.
    Furthermore, this would be an excellent avenue to bring new
blood into Amateur Radio.  I've mostly grown up with computers, but
as great as my understanding of them is, I don't have the intuitive
understanding that those even ten years younger than me do.  I've only
been using computers since I was ten or so...these kids currently in
high school have been living with their wonders since the day they were
born.  These are the ones we should be talking to, that we should be
bringing into Amateur Radio to develop the networks of tomorrow.  With
their help we could put Amateur Radio back on the cutting edge of
technology rather than the trailing edge we seem to be holding on to
right now.

Comments?  I'm interested in hearing what people have to say.  You
can please direct any flames to /dev/null--I don't want to hear them.

--
         Doug Renze, N0YVW * [e-mail] * N0YVW @ W0IUQ.ia.usa.na

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Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 00:24:25 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!darwin.sura.net!fconvx.ncifcrf.gov![e-mail]
Subject: An open note to Gary Coffman, KE4ZV
To: [e-mail]

In article <2si9a5$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Douglas J Renze) writes:

>    But what can be done about it?  It seems to me that newer,
>more efficient protocols need to be developed *and actively promoted*
>rather than making 10 or 15-year-old technology the standard.
>    A new implementation of TCP/IP might even help the situation.
>While the TCP/IP protocol suite is far from perfect, it seems to be
>much more efficient than the network we have now.  But the current
>implementations, while pioneering in their time, are currently out-
>dated.  IMO the best way to update our current technology would be
>to develop a device driver for the standard TNC in KISS mode.  This
>device driver would allow standard TCP/IP implementations and apps
>to interface to amateur packet radio transparently.  It seems to me
>that there is no reason that standard TCP/IP applications which run
>on the Internet should not be able to run on a Packet radio internet,
>including standard implementations of ftp, telnet, rlogin, usenet news,
>internet bbs's, etc.

TCPIP is already available with the KA9Q NOS code (there's lots of books
eg NOS INTRO, thru ARRL, to helpyou on your way). There is a problem that
there's no one to talk to. The real problem is that increased data rate
requires a wider IF and AF section in the T/X. The current voice grade
audio that comes through ham FM rigs is only good to about 2400 baud (others
probably have better estimates). If you want 56kb, then you need a whole
new TX, basically an RF modem. To talk at ethernet rates (10MHz) you are
going to have to put all your rigs on 10Ghz. It's a lot of money to invest
in a system which is hobbled by every message having to be read by a human
at the point of entry.

    Joe Mack NA3T
    [e-mail]

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Date: 2 Jun 1994 04:36:06 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uiowa.edu!icaen![e-mail]
Subject: An open note to Gary Coffman, KE4ZV
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Joe Mack) writes:

>In article <2si9a5$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Douglas J Renze) writes:

>>    But what can be done about it?  It seems to me that newer,
>>more efficient protocols need to be developed *and actively promoted*
>>rather than making 10 or 15-year-old technology the standard.
>>    A new implementation of TCP/IP might even help the situation.
>>While the TCP/IP protocol suite is far from perfect, it seems to be
>>much more efficient than the network we have now.  But the current
>>implementations, while pioneering in their time, are currently out-
>>dated.  IMO the best way to update our current technology would be
>>to develop a device driver for the standard TNC in KISS mode.  This
>>device driver would allow standard TCP/IP implementations and apps
>>to interface to amateur packet radio transparently.  It seems to me
>>that there is no reason that standard TCP/IP applications which run
>>on the Internet should not be able to run on a Packet radio internet,
>>including standard implementations of ftp, telnet, rlogin, usenet news,
>>internet bbs's, etc.

>TCPIP is already available with the KA9Q NOS code (there's lots of books
>eg NOS INTRO, thru ARRL, to helpyou on your way). There is a problem that
>there's no one to talk to. The real problem is that increased data rate
>requires a wider IF and AF section in the T/X. The current voice grade
>audio that comes through ham FM rigs is only good to about 2400 baud (others
>probably have better estimates). If you want 56kb, then you need a whole
>new TX, basically an RF modem. To talk at ethernet rates (10MHz) you are
>going to have to put all your rigs on 10Ghz. It's a lot of money to invest
>in a system which is hobbled by every message having to be read by a human
>at the point of entry.

I'm aware that TCP/IP is already available.  But this is a suite of
programs which operate only through packet, if I'm not mistaken.  Ideally,
any program which can run through standard TCP/IP should be able to run
through a packet-radio version of TCP/IP.  As far as I know, this is not
currently the case.  If I'm using a Macintosh, for example, and want to
use TCP/IP I *ought* to be able to use NCSA telnet, ditto for Windoze,
standard telnet should work for me on a Linux box, and the DOS version
of it should work on a DOS box.  Understand what I'm saying?
    And who said anything about Ethernet rates?  Seems to me that
a lot of people run SLIP at 9600 baud and don't have many problems.  Heck,
I've even heard the rumour that all of Iceland is linked to the rest of
the Internet through a single 9600 baud SLIP link.  Similar performance
should be possible via packet (I mean, if LANs can do it, why can't we?).
A packet network should be treatable as a WAN.

I've also been thinking some more about some applications for Packet.
Why don't we use a Client-Server architecture for our BBS's?  It's much
more efficient both in the use of the frequency and in the use of the
host computer.
    Why not write distributed BBS's, where multiple computers at
different sites share the loads?  This is an offshoot of the client-
server architecture.
    There are so many possibilities!

73 - doug

--
         Doug Renze, N0YVW * [e-mail] * N0YVW @ W0IUQ.ia.usa.na
                         [e-mail] ** [e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 21:52:24 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!analog.com!analog.com![e-mail]
Subject: Cardinal DSP16 boards $79 +$5s/h
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (James D. Cronin) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>Kenneth C Hopper <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>  For those digitally enabled  hams  who  are  in-
>>  terested  in   exploring  the KC7WW PC soundcard
>>  application - you can get a Cardinal  DSP16  for
>>  $79  at  the  PC  Connection 1-800-243-8088 plus
>>  about  $5  s/h.  Good deal  for  a  programmable
>>  ASP based DSP PC board.
>>
>It sounds interesting.  What's needed in the line of software for
>programming it?  Is there a developer's kit or something of that
>nature?
>Also, what ham-oriented software has been written for this card?

Note that the Cardinal board isn't ASP based, but instead has a real
DSP onboard, an Analog Devices 2115. I have no idea if any ham software
has been written for it, but Analog is supposed to release an SDK for
the Cardinal and the other PSA-based soundcards (ie Orchid Soundwave,
MediaMagic, Adaptec, etc.) Real Soon Now... which means I thought it
was supposed to be out a couple of weeks ago, but seems to have been
postponed a little bit. If you're interested, the official announcement
should be on comp.dsp sometime soon.

Hmm... that is a pretty good price on the card, though. Might have to
pick on of 'em up myself.

(ps - I'm not a ham... yet. just another interested bystander.)

        -Matt

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Date: 1 Jun 1994 22:56:01 -0400
From: newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com![e-mail]
Subject: Cardinal DSP16 boards $79 +$5s/h
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
writes:

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (James D.
Cronin) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>Kenneth C Hopper <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>  For those digitally enabled  hams  who  are  in-
>>  terested  in   exploring  the KC7WW PC soundcard
>>  application - you can get a Cardinal  DSP16  for
>>  $79  at  the  PC  Connection 1-800-243-8088 plus
>>  about  $5  s/h.  Good deal  for  a  programmable
>>  ASP based DSP PC board.
>>
>It sounds interesting.  What's needed in the line of software for
>programming it?  Is there a developer's kit or something of that
>nature?
>Also, what ham-oriented software has been written for this card?

A friend and I bought 3 of these boards several months ago they were
such a "bargain" (about $120).

We had so many problems with software and drivers and installation,
we sent them back!  Cardinal Tech Support was useless.

Sometimes you get what you pay for!

Anyone need the Wavetable Chip for this Board??

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Date: 1 Jun 1994 21:37:03 -0400
From: newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com![e-mail]
Subject: Help with JNOS for Linux
To: [e-mail]

Benn trying to get JNOS (j109lxa3) working. When I compile,
everything goes fine until it gets near the end, then I get
"curses.c XXX (linux.a(curses.o)) Undefined symbol _getattrs
referenced from text segment"
This is repeated 5 times, with 5 line numbers (XXX), 434,489,496,524,
533) . I loaded ncurses 1.8, and even changed my kernel from 99.14 to
1.10, but the error is the same.
Obviously, I am no expert on C programming. Has anyone had the same
experience, and can tell me what to do. Dumb I may be, bur also
stubborn, and have benn struggling with this for 3 days.

Thanks in advance..

John N4JS ([e-mail])

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Date: 1 Jun 1994 14:24:02 -0400
From: newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com![e-mail]
Subject: JNOS for Unix.
To: [e-mail]

Try UCSD.EDU in hmradio/packet/jnos. You want j109lxa3.tar.z

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Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 14:55:42 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!saips.cv.nrao.edu!sadira.gb.nrao.edu![e-mail]
Subject: LOOKING FOR: PK-88
To: [e-mail]

I am looking for a used PK-88 for use with my C64. Got the
software, just need the modem and cables. Thanks

David - KB4LCI
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 20:01:45 GMT
From: spsgate!mogate!newsgate!dtsdev0![e-mail]
Subject: need repeater advice
To: [e-mail]

  There seems to be very little packet activity in this area (Phoenix)
on 440 MHZ.  Around our club, we were kicking around the idea of
putting up a small BBS or something, just to get our hands into
the packet arena.  The idea kept evolving until we found ourselves
talking about putting up a full blown repeater for digital use (we
already have voice repeaters.)  We think we can scrounge up the
necessary radio equipment, and are continuing thinking along these
lines.

  So, with setting up a repeater as the goal, what do we need to do
to make a deluxe installation?  I see operation at 9600 baud as
a possibility, even though I (nor nobody I know) does 9600 at
the present time.  We would probably be setting a precedent for
the area on 440, and thus should do the job well.

  There appears to be a bit-regenerator kit from TAPR, but I am not
networked well with that organization yet (new member.)  Is this
the way to go, or is there some other option to consider?  Anyway,
fire away, and we'll see what we can come up with.

-dave

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Date: 1 Jun 1994 22:42:32 GMT
From: pa.dec.com![e-mail]
Subject: PCMCIA TNC
To: [e-mail]

Anyone know if someone is looking at doing a PCMCIA TNC? I think that this would
be a neat item. (I know I could put it to good use).

Any pointers would be appreciated.

73 de Jeff -- KD1IT/7

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Jeff McLeman                                                        Internet: [e-mail]
Redmond, Wa.                                                       Amprnet: [e-mail]
KD1IT / 7                                                                AX25 slownet: [e-mail]

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Date: 1 Jun 1994 14:56:18 GMT
From: nwnexus!krel.iea.com!comtch![e-mail]
Subject: RTTY DIGITAL JOURNAL subscription info
To: [e-mail]

Kenneth C Hopper ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Great source of info about all digital ham modes. Give it
: a try for $19 (first class US)/yr.

:     The rtty DIGITAL Jouranl
: c/o The American Digital Radio Society
:     P.O. Box 2465
:     New York, NY 10185-2465

: or  Jim, N2HOS
:     P.O. Box 3328
:     Indian Rocks Beach, FL 34635

: I am not affiliated with the RDJ in any way - but I feel
: it is the digital ham's best publication and I want you
: to know about it :-).

I _am_ affiliated with the RDJ, and I have to agree with you -
the Journal is an excellent source of digital information!
--
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Michael B. Candy                            Amateur Radio Call: KI7FX
P.O. Box 1953                               KI7FX@KA7FVV.#EWA.WA.USA.NA
Airway Hts, WA. 99001-1953                  American Digital Radio Society



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Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 11:36:18 GMT
From: psinntp!gdstech!gdstech![e-mail]
Subject: Telix modem software doesn't choke on 7plus files
To: [e-mail]

 Any time you are sending binary files over a modem you run the risk
of wierd things happening, as the XON/XOF characters are encountered
in
the stream. Using hardware flow control is almost always a better bet.
Set your comm software (and sometimes a modem setting is needed) to
use
RTS/CTs and you will have lots fewer transmission problems. BTW, I use
the new MSKermit, and it works great, and is free. -pat
--
*-----------------------------------------------------------*
*     Pat Masterson   D12-25  | KE2LJ@KC2FD                 *
*     Grumman Data Systems    | 516-346-6316.               *
*     Bethpage, NY 11746      | [e-mail]     *

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